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« on: February 23, 2008, 09:35:56 PM »

I just finished my first playthrough, and the note about Ena at the end struck me as a bit odd. Apparently she had Rajaion's kid...

Now, it's not that hard to imagine that Rajaion could have lived just long enough to do Ena one last time at the end of PoR, but in that case Ena must have been pregnant for a minimum of three years...

Then again, given how long-lived dragons are, I guess this shouldn't surprise me at all...

Edit... I forgot the question... Well, what do you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2008, 09:38:10 PM »

Yeah, considering how long dragons live, I don't think it's too unbelivable to assume that the gestation period for one would take a number of years.

Have to admit though, I don't know whether it's brave or stupid for Ena to be fighting in not one, but TWO wars while pregnant...
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2008, 09:44:13 PM »

I'm not sure that Ena was pregnant in PoR. (At least, not until the very end...) I guess it depends on how quickly Rajaion gave up the ghost, and what he and Ena did in the meantime. Besides, I doubt her unborn child would have survived the blow that she took from the Black Knight...

Anyway, considering what Dheginsea said to Kurthnaga and Ena, I was expecting them to get married instead.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2008, 09:45:20 PM »

I'm not sure that Ena was pregnant in PoR. (At least, not until the very end...) I guess it depends on how quickly Rajaion gave up the ghost, and what he and Ena did in the meantime.
Ike specifically tells Kurthnaga that Rajaion died in Ena's arms in the ending scene of PoR.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2008, 10:00:58 PM »

Ike specifically tells Kurthnaga that Rajaion died in Ena's arms in the ending scene of PoR.

Indeed, but I don't think that precludes the possibility that he could have gotten her pregnant at that time rather than so many years before.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2008, 05:35:03 AM »

Indeed, but I don't think that precludes the possibility that he could have gotten her pregnant at that time rather than so many years before.

...I don't think he had enough strength to sleep with her then.  Especially not in front of Leanne and possibly the rest of the army.  (That'd be kind of weird.)

Unless dragons conceive by cuddling, which is... possible, I guess...
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2008, 07:29:09 AM »

I guess it depends, then, on whether you think it's more plausible that (a) the baby could have survived the beatings that Ena took first from Ike and his companions and then from the Black Knight, or (b) Rajaion could have gotten Ena pregnant in the last few minutes of his life.

Anyway, they were lovers, and he was dying. Maybe I'm overestimating people's ability and inclination to look the other way in such cases...

In any case, intercourse isn't necessary to get a woman pregnant. The following, while not a spoiler, is probably M or AO material, so I'll put it in the spoiler section anyway...


I guess the hopeless romantic in me would like to believe that Rajaion was strong enough to do that, at least...
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2008, 05:16:14 PM »

Well even in admitting the disturbing part of them having sexual intercourse in front of the whole Crimean Army, it's not possible. Remember: The only thing he was able to do was uttering, with the greatest difficulties, a couple of words before kicking it. So no, he was not in state to conceive a child, no matter how little time it would take in the best of case.
The explanation of Dragon pregnancy being awfully long is the most probable. That, or she found someone else. But, since it's never mentionned, we can safely assume that it did not happened.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2008, 06:17:21 PM »

That, or she found someone else.
Her ending specifically states that she returned home and "gave birth to her lost fiance's child". It has to be Rajaion's.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2008, 07:21:40 AM »

Dna test or it did not happened!
Well, it's not like this theory had any credibility to start with.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2008, 09:37:03 AM »

I had always assumed that she had been pregnant during the events of both Path of Radiance and Goddess of the Dawn, but after thinking about the Aether she takes from Ike at most points, as well as the attack from the BK...damn, that baby must have been like really protected while inside of her body for it to survive, lol
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2008, 09:43:05 AM »

I'll concede my previous argument, just so as not to make the topic more disturbing than it is...

Instead, I'll ask my next question: Did the Black Knight know that Ena was pregnant, or was he just lucky not to have killed the unborn child?
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2008, 03:01:25 PM »

Well, Japaneses games have thoses strange habits of:
-Making a clear distinction between defeated in combat, and wounded. It don't make no sens, and make me cringe each time, but it is possible to loose a fight, and get away with it like it never happens. Except when it's convenient for the scenario to have the boss or the party to stay wriggling in pain.
-Except if it's plot related, no injury is permanent. Okay, this one is more universale, but still.

So, yeah, it do make sens that she can take a beating that would turn any human, and any NPC into a bloody pulp agonizing on the floor, without any repercussion on her unborn child.
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2008, 12:15:21 PM »

Well, Japaneses games have thoses strange habits of:
-Making a clear distinction between defeated in combat, and wounded. It don't make no sens, and make me cringe each time, but it is possible to loose a fight, and get away with it like it never happens. Except when it's convenient for the scenario to have the boss or the party to stay wriggling in pain.
-Except if it's plot related, no injury is permanent. Okay, this one is more universale, but still.

So, yeah, it do make sens that she can take a beating that would turn any human, and any NPC into a bloody pulp agonizing on the floor, without any repercussion on her unborn child.

It doesn't make sense to me. The Black Knight did not merely defeat Ena; he hit her hard enough to knock her unconscious.

Does it really make sense that she could take a beating that turned HER into a bloody pulp unconscious on the floor without any repercussion on her unborn child?
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2008, 01:52:40 PM »

Keep in mind that the story makes out dragons to be a lot more powerful than they actually are (statistically). What would normally be a life-threatening injury to most characters could just be shrugged off with ease by a dragon.
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2008, 11:04:11 PM »

AFAIK some bugs can store http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/205/4410/1029sperm from their mate until they are  ready for reproduction, maybe it's the same for dragons in FE.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2008, 04:37:45 AM »

Keep in mind that the story makes out dragons to be a lot more powerful than they actually are (statistically). What would normally be a life-threatening injury to most characters could just be shrugged off with ease by a dragon.

Aren't they much weaker in human form? On par with normal, maybe a bit souped up, humans?
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2008, 07:36:26 AM »

Keep in mind that the story makes out dragons to be a lot more powerful than they actually are (statistically). What would normally be a life-threatening injury to most characters could just be shrugged off with ease by a dragon.
Even so, the blow was hard enough to knock her unconscious, meaning that it must've at least hurt pretty badly. It would've probably been enough to completely slaughter a human being.

Regardless, I find the theory that the child did survive the blow more plausible. Especially Areth's theory seems ... way too far-fetched.
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2008, 07:32:13 PM »

Or the makers of the game just got so in love with their clichés they couldn't resist throwing in a happy ending for Ena too.

I'm not even trying to be a troll here, I was seriously pissed that after all that work, spanning two consoles, all I got to hear about Rhys was "He teaches school there." I could have thought that up! Where's the inspiration?! I just wanted to throw up.

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 11:25:45 AM »

Well, Rhys doesn't exactly qualify as an ultra-important-all-out-storm-must-live-plot-character, does he? Plus, there are very little dragons in the game and Ena is repeatedly brought into the spotlight.

Back to the topic at hand, maybe the Black Knight knew and tried to avoid killing the child? Granted, he said he was going to kill her, but even Z-- I mean BK has his principles, and probably would avoid infanticide.

At the previous question, maybe Dragons can still ejaculate after death?
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