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« on: March 16, 2008, 08:34:15 PM » |
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Something has been bothering me about the Branded. According to Muarim, Laguz always feel uneasy in the presence of a Branded, and while some of them don't know why, most of them do.
However, this would make it pretty much impossible for Sanaki, Soren, and Stefan to keep their secrets the way they did throughout FE9. While it does explain why Mordecai and Lethe took such an immediate disliking to Soren in FE9, I don't understand why it would take so long for Mordecai to figure out that Stefan was Branded.
Also, why did Skrimir like Soren so much? Ranulf's comments suggest that Skrimir's rashness was typical of Gallians, and he probably hated the Branded as much as the typical Gallian. If he knew that Soren was Branded...
I guess what confuses me is that the Laguz supposedly ignore the Branded and pretend that they don't exist, but this doesn't match up with the way they have interacted with the Branded throughout FE9 and 10.
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 08:37:42 PM » |
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While it does explain why Mordecai and Lethe took such an immediate disliking to Soren in FE9[...] They took an immediate disliking to Soren because he was bring a prick to them. Being Branded really didn't have much, if anything, to do with that. As for Skrimir? It took him a while to warm up to Soren, remember? It took Soren's tactical skills to make the Gallian army conquor each Begnion fort, and that's how Soren earned Skrimir's respect. |
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 12:24:28 PM » |
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Fact Check: Sanaki's not Branded.
As for Stefan, he lived in a village of branded for years, and doubtless learned something from the veterans who were supposedly there. Plus, his little dissapearing act in PoR maybe is a hint that he could hide his presence somehow, or he was wearing something that hides his scent (Muarim said that the Branded have a specific aura/odour around them). Perhaps the same could be applied to the BKs armor, as even Sephy didn't realize it until BK showed him.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 01:33:26 PM » |
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I stand corrected.
I was about to point out that Sanaki is descended from Lehran and Altina, but then I remembered that not everybody who has both Laguz and Beorc ancestors is Branded.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 02:26:24 PM » |
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Also, it was Micaiah who was branded (read: Sanaki's older sister).
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 06:17:28 PM » |
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Perhaps the same could be applied to the BKs armor, as even Sephy didn't realize it until BK showed him.
Just a technicality, but I thought it was Sephiran who gave the Black Knight his armor from the Bengion sacred stores, along with Ragnell and Alondite. I think its even in Micaiah's weird heron mind-read of Zelguis after you beat the Black Knight, where Sephiran basically says "Here's some badass armor to cover up your branded mark". I was also curious, since I never really unlocked any support conversations to do with Soren or Stephan in Path of Radiance, does it ever come up in FE9 that they're branded, or at least part Laguz, or is that only mentioned in FE10? |
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 06:20:16 PM » |
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Soren tells Ike in their A-support that he is Branded, while Stefan hints that they are both branded throughout their supports.
A few characters mistake Soren for being a spirit charmer, though (like Calill in her support with Tormod).
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 08:28:34 PM » |
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Talking about Branded; Amy is one, right?
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 09:17:19 PM » |
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Amy is speculated to be one, but whether or not she's actually branded is ambiguous.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 08:07:12 AM » |
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Au Contraire. Yune clearly says that she's branded in the info with Stefan.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2008, 10:40:45 AM » |
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Au Contraire. Yune clearly says that she's branded in the info with Stefan.
Yune is very vague in that conversation. She mentions NOBODY by name, and just gives vague descriptions like "that one who is always with Ike". |
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2008, 11:18:31 AM » |
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I'm sure you mean Elincia, because she would have been referring to Soren by saying that.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2008, 11:29:48 AM » |
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I'm sure you mean Elincia, because she would have been referring to Soren by saying that.
I was using the Soren one as an example for how vague she was...  |
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2008, 12:06:48 PM » |
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If Yune wasn't referring to Amy, then to whom was she referring? The "boy who is always with Ike" is obviously Soren, but who else could the "little girl who stays by the queen of Crimea" be?
Speaking of the conversation with Stefan, something else has been bothering me. According to him, the Branded are born as normal Beorc babies and get their Brands later in life.
However, Almedha said that her son was born with the Brand. (Or maybe she just implied that it manifested just a few days after his birth... I'm not so sure about this.)
Anyway... cue discussion.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 12:35:53 PM » |
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If Yune wasn't referring to Amy, then to whom was she referring? The "boy who is always with Ike" is obviously Soren, but who else could the "little girl who stays by the queen of Crimea" be? Amy doesn't stand by the Queen, though iirc |
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2008, 12:47:58 PM » |
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Amy doesn't stand by the Queen, though iirc
The first Yune even noticed Amy was when she came with Geoffrey, and then on stayed behind Elincia until she met up again with Calill. "Stand by" could also be a reference to being Crimean in general, or believing in Elincia, and are there any other supposed Brandeds in Crimea? |
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2008, 12:49:42 PM » |
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Yeah, but there's almost literally nothing else we know about Amy other than the fact that she's Callil and Largo's (adopted?) daughter. We knew about Soren beforehand, so the person Yune would be referring to is ambiguous.
Any chance we can see Japanese text translated around that same part?
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2008, 12:58:59 PM » |
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More to the point, how many little girls weren't petrified? (I'm quite certain that we can discount everybody who was.) Amy is the youngest, and I'm pretty sure that Sanaki and Mist are the next youngest. We can account for Mist's ancestry, so Yune couldn't have been referring to her.
Sanaki doesn't physically "stay by the queen of Crimea", but they do have the same ideals, so maybe that's what Yune was referring to. Maybe Yune can sense people of mixed descent whether they have Brands or not.
Or maybe Sanaki does have a Brand. Do we have conclusive evidence that her body isn't Branded despite her mixed ancestry?
That was a rhetorical question.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2008, 01:02:25 PM » |
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Maybe it means Lucia? For Yune's standards, she could be considered pretty young... Then again, that would leave the question as to whether or not Geoffrey is one, as well...
That said, if Calill is dead or not on Elincia's team, I'm pretty sure that Amy stays with Elincia.
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2008, 07:17:01 PM » |
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I just passed that section of the game in the JP version (several hours ago, in fact), and I decided to look into that one conversation since there was discussion about it a while ago. (I don't have a direct transcription since I have suspended data and I don't want to get rid of it.)
1) Senerio's description is "the black-haired boy [with] Ike". No question it's definitely Senerio.
2) The other is "the girl [onna no ko] with Erincia" (something like (Erincia or Queen Crimea) [no tokoro]). Since [onna no ko] specifically, to my knowledge, refers to a child, Luchino is out of the picture and the only possiblilities are Amy and Sanaki. I don't recall if "Branded" and "Parentless" specifically refer to those that have a brand or if it refers to those of mixed parentage. If the first, Sanaki should be out, I think. If the second, it could be either one.
Right now, I'm leaning toward Amy...
I'll see if I can get the exact text sometime later.
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