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« on: April 23, 2008, 09:48:10 PM »

Finals are done with, so I can start this thread.

Seeing as how a large quantity of FESSers are finishing high school this year (or so it would seem), I felt that this would be a good thread to start. Feel free to ask me anything about college -- whether it be about classes, the dorm life, the campus, whatever. And even if you aren't anywhere close to graduating from secondary school, this would be a good time to start inquiring about life after high school. Other FESSers in college are welcome to respond with their opinions and experiences as well.

I guess it'd be a good idea to give a little introduction, first. I've just finished my second year as an Aerospace Engineer at the University of Michigan. My grades are pretty good, GPA of 3.6, but that's going way down this semester due to shoddy performance in some tough classes. I lived in university housing both years, and will be living in a house next year. I also enjoy horseback riding and long walks on the beach... what?
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 07:30:51 PM »

Actually, I'm going into graduate school for a Master of Arts in Teaching (MAT) this fall, so maybe I'm in a better position to answer questions than ask them myself...

My only question so far is "How much harder are graduate-level courses than undergraduate?", but I imagine that's one question you won't be able to answer...
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 08:26:22 PM »

Areth: from what I've heard and seen from others, you're going to have a harder time adjusting to the lifestyle than the class load itself. Your margin for error is eliminated when you take out the perks that come with being an underclassman.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2008, 10:31:27 PM »

sorry if I sound like an ignorant, but what period of school is college? I guess it's not like here, ie from 12 to 15 years old....
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 02:03:48 AM »

College in the USA is basically university in the UK.
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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 05:34:31 AM »

I might have to resort to distant universities for schooling, so i am wondering about the dorms.  How is the living environment, and  does a person have to sustain a certain GPA in order to remain there every year? I've heard some rumors about that but never really bothered to confirm it.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 07:35:06 AM »

Dorms vary a lot between schools. Generally, you won't need to maintain a certain GPA to stay in the dorms, but if your housing is tied to a specific program (for example, Honors housing) then you might get the boot if you fail to meet the program requirements. If you're that worried, you should check with whatever school you're interested in attending.

As for living environment, dorms are really good. I'd recommend every incoming freshman to live in a dorm for at least one year. It's a great way to meet new people (and I stress this one point alone), and you'll probably find at least one person taking the same classes as you. Everybody is usually very friendly, but there are some cases where you might get stuck in a bad hall. (First year, there were some people who decided to drink -- frequently -- despite it being a substance-free hall. So you'd get a bunch of loud and retarded things happening late at night. Other than them, and the people who never left their rooms, I still met a good number of people who I'm still friends with today.)

Also, the University of Michigan is comprised of the College of Engineering, the College of Literature, Science, and the Arts, the School of Music, etc. Basically, I think, colleges the schools focusing on a particular discipline that together form a university.
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 08:31:17 AM »

Actually, I'm going into graduate school for a Master of Arts in Teaching (MAT) this fall, so maybe I'm in a better position to answer questions than ask them myself...

My only question so far is "How much harder are graduate-level courses than undergraduate?", but I imagine that's one question you won't be able to answer...
The classes are a fair amount harder, but it's not necessarily just that, as far as what makes graduate school much more stressful than undergraduate.  In addition to your coursework you are expected to perform many hours of TAing, or research, or both, and quite possibly spending additional time preparing for qualifying examinations or other such requirements for your program.  So while you may in fact end up taking less credits worth of courses, it will feel like you have a whole lot more on your plate, because quite frankly, you do.  Of course there are also factors like how adaptable you are to a change in environment, how quickly you can integrate or form a new group of study buddies, etc. that will certainly play into increasing or decreasing the overall burden. 

Of course, this may not apply for all discipline, or all graduate programs.  Your Masters of Arts in Teaching program, for example, may very well be quite different than my Ph.D. program in Physics.

Speaking on a purely personal note here, I went from getting solid 'A's in undergraduate, to getting mostly 'B's in my graduate program.  Also, my younger brother's first semester was burning him out so bad that he was considering dropping his program.  Then again, some people can adapt quite well.  I had a friend from undergrad who also enrolled in the same graduate program I did, who seemed to handle the transition much more smoothly.

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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 10:31:58 PM »

College in the USA is basically university in the UK.

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2008, 11:29:24 PM »

Why are you lame enough to join a frat?
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2008, 11:17:59 AM »

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Plus I met some new people, get some perks, and it looks good on the resume?
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 05:24:07 PM »

Frats are very hierarchial, though.  I've heard quite a few stories of fresh pledges being treated like shit. 
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 05:48:27 PM »

It depends on the frat, and the chapter. I pledged into TBP, which is the engineering honors frat, so other than being massive nerds they were fairly clean with pledging.

Then you have frats here like Alpha Delta Phi, whose frathouse is consistently a mess with beer cans scattered everywhere, and has had accusations of rape going around... their nickname of "Shady Phi" is well deserved.

UofM is also really tough about hazing, so it doesn't happen often around here. Can't say the same about other colleges...
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 07:12:42 PM »

Yep, and guess who gets to clean up the spilled beer and puke? 

As for dorms, I never liked them.  Claustrophobic, no kitchen, shared bathrooms, stupid regulations, and I didn't get along with my roommate at all.  You'll probably have to put up with a dorm for at least a year, but after that, grab someone or a few people you get along with and look for an apartment.  You'll have a lot more freedom that way.  Actually, you may very well be forced to look for off-campus housing after your second year since most universities give priority to freshmen for dorms.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 07:43:44 PM »

Dorms, though, depend a lot on the campus and the dorm building even. My dorm is quite satisfactory, for example. Fairly spacious, private bathroom, no idiots making ruckuses, roommate on the same wavelength. Then again, my building is a refitted hotel.

The other buildings' rooms range from tiny (in which case they're only used for sleeping, and everything else is done in the lounge) to huge (my building has the largest rooms ^^), and other accommodations also vary largely.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 07:53:58 PM »

At my school, we have to practically jump through hoops to live off campus, or so I've heard. But the dorms are actually pretty nice, as they're mostly huge old houses, and some of them have mostly singles - I jumped at the first opportunity to live in one. My room's relatively big and right across from the kitchenette (which is just a sink, a mini fridge, and a microwave, but man has the microwave come in handy), and there's also a dining hall in my dorm (vegan/vegetarian, but still). There's even a fireplace in the living room where we occasionally make s'mores. But yeah, dorms really do differ from school to school. There aren't any frats or sororities at my school, but then I'm at a small liberal arts college, so...
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 08:55:18 PM »

On the subject of frats, some also offer scholarships and whatnots, of course not all of 'em are likely too.  Like anything in college, just try shopping around and see what fits.  You're bound to find something
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2008, 09:13:51 PM »

Interesting coincidence, I was just thinking of creating a topic along this skein. Then again I suppose it’s not really a coincidence, just that time of year.

I don’t really have any questions, but I thought I’d post my observations about this year and the process of applying to colleges, for anyone who’s interested or wanted another perspective.

I’m a senior in high school, so I’ll be graduating in June to move onto bigger and better things, and I decided a long while ago that college was among those things. So this year I’ve had the absolute joy of spending a whole lotta time figuring that whole application thing out. Now I live in Vermont, which is quite a small state, and my high school is equally small (my graduating class is about 106 people), so it’s not the hugest accomplishment in the world to do quite well ( It switches a lot, at one point I was first in the class, now something around third, but really no one cares anymore). I have also participated in a lot of extra curriculars like Cross Country, Track, plays and musicals, band, and I’m the student representative to our school board. All probably not too impressive, but in any case I still couldn’t help but feel I had a chance of getting into at least some decent colleges.

In any case I thought what the hell; I might as well try to go big. So I started looking at schools like Yale, Princeton, Brown, etc. I really didn’t know that much about college, I don’t have any older siblings, and my parents went to community college, so not much advice there. From my reading I learned about the abysmal acceptance rates of these colleges (Ivy leagues and other competitive schools can be around 9-10% accepted from a pool of very qualified applicants), and I knew this year was supposed to be particularly hard in admissions (indeed they all set records, Harvard's acceptance was 7.1%) so needless to say I was quite disheartened. A big reason I wanted to get into one of these big schools was the financial aid options, as most of the Ivy leagues will cover 100% of all costs, including living and books, for families with combined incomes under $60,000, which was a very alluring prospect.

So I worked my ass off from October to December filling out forms, retaking the SATs multiple times (my scores were actually alright, not AMAZING, but it could have been way worse), and I spent several months editing my essay. But even with all of these preparations, I knew admittance was a slim possibility to any ONE of these Universities. After all, they receive 25,000 applicants a year for only ~1800 slots, and Yale on average even rejects ¾ of applicants with perfect 2400 SATs. It’s fair to say the process is almost random when it gets down to weeding people out.

Now, like a true FESSer, the first thing I thought of when I heard there was a 10% hit chance was that even with those odds I’ve had my Lord hit by an axe wielder. So  maybe... just maybe, there was perhaps a chance of RNG rape in my favor that some of the college admissions boards just might let me in. So my only conclusion was I had to apply to a lot of them, because getting rejected from one didn’t really mean anything, it was all mostly chance.

In the end, I applied to 18 schools, and that translates to a lot of admission fees, but if I got into one (aside from the obligatory back-up schools like University of Vermont…), I’d be quite set. After I got my applications done, and my financial aid information (another migraine), I had some colleges contact me about interviews. Cool. I knew they did it for all their applicants, but still I was excited. I always considered myself more of a personality in the flesh rather than in writing. All-in-all I talked to five alums, from Harvard, Yale, Duke, Dartmouth, and Princeton. I listed those in order of how well I think the interviews went. The guy from Princeton was just weird and creepy. The alumni from Harvard was wonderful, and I talked with him while sipping coffee at a local diner for about three hours, and I really think it went about as well as it possibly could have. They all reminded me afterwards that the interview was a minor part of the application, but I still felt like it might help.

So the school year went on, and I found it harder and harder to concentrate in class. I had a wicked bad case of Senior-osis. It felt like (still feels like) the teachers were keeping us occupied with menial busy-work because they’re just as aware as we are that school’s running out, and it doesn’t really matter once applications are in. Tortuous months later, I start to hear back from colleges.

First an acceptance from University of Vermont. Meh. Don't get me wrong, I was still excited, at least if all else failed I would have somewhere to go, but in reality I was basically guaranteed admittance being a mostly competent in-state resident. Then I heard back from McGill in Montreal, and got in there too. That one was pretty exciting too, until I got the financial aid and discovered Canadian schools kind of suck for giving out grants to international students (come on, Canada’s hardly international!). Then I heard back from the University of Chicago… rejected. But not to worry! Mid-March I hear from Northwestern, and I got in there. So now I had a serious school accept me, and I was quite excited. But then, even more rejections came in. Amherst, Bowdoin, Williams, Dartmouth, University of Virginia, Princeton…, all arriving in their little envelopes with just one piece of paper enclosed telling you how sorry they were. You knew before even opening it that it was a rejection, because it was so thin. Acceptance letters come in 12 x 8.5 envelopes, and most even say “congratulations!” right on the envelope. After my first few acceptances, I started only getting small envelopes.

But then I get three giant envelopes in the mail, and one was from Stanford, another from Columbia, and the final from Harvard. I quite nearly pissed myself. Turns out the numbers played in my favor, as well as perhaps a terrific interview with Harvard.

It was quite interesting though, because despite those absolutely amazing acceptances, I was still rejected/waitlisted at over twice as many schools as I got into (12 out of 18). It effectively demonstrated to me the random nature of college acceptances, and the fact that really anyone fairly competent could get into one of these schools. Not all of them, but as long as you didn’t pick a favorite, one is all you need.

So here’s the complete rundown:

Accepted: University of Vermont, McGill, Northwestern, Stanford, Columbia, Harvard

Rejected: Princeton, Cornell, Bowdoin, University of Chicago, Amherst, Williams, Dartmouth, University of Virginia

Waitlisted: Pomona, Brown, Duke, Yale

So now I’ve narrowed my decision now between Stanford and Harvard, both of whom expect $0 parent contribution and for me just to work on campus a few hours a week at 11 bucks an hour. Really not a bad deal, since in the ages past getting into Harvard meant you had to practically be a millionaire or be indebted for the rest of your life. I actually have to make the decision between the two of them by tomorrow (May 1st), and it’s a dead heat between them so I’m quite torn, but that’s not really the point of this post.

I didn’t post this to brag, but rather to encourage any juniors or other high schoolers looking into college that you don’t have to be afraid that you aren’t good enough to get into these schools, because I really didn’t expect to, but I put a hell of a lot of effort into my applications (not joking, just about as hard as I have ever worked. period.), and committed myself to applying to as many as possible, and hey, who can say I’m limited by the choices given to me? It's really possible for anyone who's willing to put in the effort, especially since financial concerns are becoming more nonexistent every year.   
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2008, 09:15:35 PM »

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Must be nice to have underachieving families. My obscene student loans for a state school say hi.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2008, 09:21:45 PM »

I suppose that's true if you see making little money as synonymous with underachieving. No offence, I'm just saying my parents probably don't feel like such underachievers as you lable them right now.
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