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« on: August 07, 2008, 11:44:14 PM »

Just as my question is above here would be the list of people I use on a regular basis (plus their current lv):

Marth (obviously) lv.20
Doga lv. 10/11
Abel lv. 12 (was told I should use Kain OR Abel I always did like the "Green" counterpart more...)
Sheeda lv. 12
Barts lv. 15
Oguma (*Now Hero*) lv. 5/6 (promoted at lv. 20) and Navarre (*Now Hero*) lv. 3 (same pro. lv. as Oguma)
Kashim lv. 10
Rena lv. 20 (probably won't believe me on this one)
Hardin lv 12
Marich A.K.A Maric lv. 7 and/or Linda lv. 5
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Ones I've been known to occasionally use:
Wolf lv. 6
Roshe lv. 3
Julian (of course) lv. 3
Banetou (only once or twice) lv. 2
Minerva lv. 3
Maria lv. 5
Paola lv. 11
Katua lv. 4/5
Chainy lv. 6
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Ones I'm THINKING about using more often (mainstream):
Paola lv. same
Katua lv. same
*Formerly Thomas*
Tom(th) lv. whatever he started as
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I'm now on chapter 14 (haven't beaten yet)
so that means I haven't got later characters
though for other plan to occasionally or mainstream use:
Chainy (moved to the occas. section above)
*Formerly Samson*
Chiki (definite mainstream)
Est (possible mainstream)
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Who/When should I promote?
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EDIT: If you thought it changed since earlier I'll occasionally edit my current chapter and character lv.'s info along with adding any promotion info and possibly booting a certain thought characters off my list I have a feeling things are gonna be more difficult since I maxed Marth so early (I tend to use him to beat certain bosses tougher enemies or to finish a normal enemy quickly lest they kill a character I'm the type who wants a "complete set" of characters by the end) BECAUSE I maxed him so quickly it'd be bad to keep using him to kill stuff 'cuz then he just robs exp. from allies right?
you probably don't believe Rena's 9 lv. ups (from 11 to 20 in one chapter) but I will admit to myself I went way overboard with her healing the good news is although I'm not as careful as I probably should be on the battlefield (thank you savestates) I am rather cautious with my cash...
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 03:19:58 AM »

Oguma and Navarre are gods, so promote them.

Paola, Katua, Est and Sheeda are also powerful, especially in this game when you dismount and not fear archers anymore.

Rena as you main healer. Maria if you want, she supports with Katua et Minerva(also I was quite lucky, since she ends up with high stats)

Linda and Marich are your main magic offense, fast and powerful.

Julian serves primary as a thief but he's also a good fighter.

you have to use Chiki, she's the cute badass dragon of the game.

you can promote as soon as you hit lvl10, it doesn't change a lot for stats except HP. I usually wait until they are lvl 15 to promote.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 04:36:56 AM »

Oguma and Navarre are gods, so promote them.

Paola, Katua, Est and Sheeda are also powerful, especially in this game when you dismount and not fear archers anymore.

Rena as you main healer. Maria if you want, she supports with Katua et Minerva(also I was quite lucky, since she ends up with high stats)

Linda and Marich are your main magic offense, fast and powerful.

Julian serves primary as a thief but he's also a good fighter.

you have to use Chiki, she's the cute badass dragon of the game.

you can promote as soon as you hit lvl10, it doesn't change a lot for stats except HP. I usually wait until they are lvl 15 to promote.

Arigato! I was already fairly set on Oguma and Navarre but the overall thoughts on the others helped
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 09:46:45 AM »

You actually don't need to promoted anyone. I completed Book 1 without promoting anyone on my first time through. =/

Most of the characters you use are pretty good, although I would recommend against Thomas. He starts out as a level 8 archer with stats that are barely better than a level 1 Gordon.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 03:52:26 PM »

You actually don't need to promoted anyone. I completed Book 1 without promoting anyone on my first time through. =/

Meh, even if you don't need to you might as well seeing as you get the pro. items (is it possible to promote a sister?) Oh yeah and I also promoted Oguma and Navarre earlier it wasn't that hard to finish getting them to lv. 20 (I know you don't need to level completely but a few extra points don't hurt)
and this is slightly upsetting to me in all honesty I've had some pretty rough bouts
my current status would be chapter 14 and I flat out CANNOT get past Book 2 Chapter 2 and it doesn't help that I can't find a good walkthrough or even a few tips on it (Book 2 I mean)

Most of the characters you use are pretty good, although I would recommend against Thomas. He starts out as a level 8 archer with stats that are barely better than a level 1 Gordon.

Arigato thanks it's nice to know I've been choosing good char.'s and thanks for the Thomas alert I've not used him once yet so that has saved exp. for other peoples I did hear that he had potential so that's why I pondered using him guess you shouldn't believe everything you hear poor Thomas and his bad stats

Also because I've had problems with this I figure I'll ask does anybody know how to create a backup file?
I had my data get randomly deleted before and I especially don't want that to happen again!
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 04:07:04 PM »

He has potential, but then again everyone does (except maybe Jeigan)- he's just not worth the gamble, since he's likely to suck.
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 04:38:26 PM »

He has potential, but then again everyone does (except maybe Jeigan)- he's just not worth the gamble, since he's likely to suck.

Well I meant that I heard he had more potential than some others but I suppose that can go both ways too
also I'm wondering...Is Caesar (EDIT:*George*) worth anything? probably not 'cuz he's pre-promoted  but he did come with a Silver Bow...which I stole from him and gave to Kashim *evil laughter*

also aren't you forgetting Banetou? most old people characters aren't that well off it seems
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 04:45:54 PM »

Caesar... pre-promoted and with a silver bow? I take it you mean George. If that's the case, then no, he isn't worth much. Well, he does start out fairly strong, so I guess he would make a decent filler character.
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 04:59:12 PM »

Caesar... pre-promoted and with a silver bow? I take it you mean George. If that's the case, then no, he isn't worth much. Well, he does start out fairly strong, so I guess he would make a decent filler character.


Oops...sorry I meant George (too many names) and I figured as much it seems like pre-promoted (and old) characters are never worth much
and I believe Lawrence is the only one left that's worth asking about for now (I know you get Ellis but by that point in the game it's probably a little late)
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 07:17:51 PM »

Lawrence is probably the best old man character in the game. That isn't saying much, but it's true. Lawrence is pretty good as far as pre-promotes go, but his base stats are kind of wonky. His starting skill and speed are terrible, his defense is nearly maxed out, and the rest of his stats are fairly good. He has really high skill growth, so you don't have to worry about his skill, but he'll always be slow.

Lawrence is a pretty solid character overall, and a good candidate if you didn't bother to level up Doga or the other Armors.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2008, 11:34:57 PM »

Most of the characters you use are pretty good, although I would recommend against Thomas. He starts out as a level 8 archer with stats that are barely better than a level 1 Gordon.

also, except for 2 maps(the one where you got him and the one where you need him to recruit Chiki), NEVER EVER touch Banutu (the old mankute man). he's even worse than Jeigan having 10% HP, 3% Res and 0% everywhere else...
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2008, 04:14:14 AM »

also, except for 2 maps(the one where you got him and the one where you need him to recruit Chiki), NEVER EVER touch Banutu (the old mankute man). he's even worse than Jeigan having 10% HP, 3% Res and 0% everywhere else...

Yeah I caught on when he hit lv. 2 I really only used him in that Port Town chapter though and that one use of him was because I was having trouble with a couple of my characters and needed a temporary chunk of power to wipe some enemies
and I though his name was "Banetou"? (Banutu is the Patch Trans. right?)
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2008, 01:12:49 PM »

Banetou, Banutu, or whatever you want to call him is actually a fairly useful tank for a few chapters. Just don't have him go on killing spree, and you should be fine. =/
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2008, 08:06:06 PM »

Also because I've had problems with this I figure I'll ask does anybody know how to create a backup file?
I had my data get randomly deleted before and I especially don't want that to happen again!

If your playing this on a ROM...

All you have to do is...copy the srm file, and your data is as good as saved.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2008, 08:46:35 PM »

If your playing this on a ROM...

All you have to do is...copy the srm file, and your data is as good as saved.

Really that's it? wow I feel so smart *self sarcasm* anyway thanks
and to Janus Cascade/Musashi (the new name is a Chrono Trigger reference I take it?) alright I hadn't bothered to use him much so Banetou/Banutu didn't steal much exp. and as put in my edited first post will Marth already being lv. 20 be a major problem? I hope not...finally is Chainy worth raising in any shape way or form? sorry if I've been asking too many questions
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2008, 10:41:51 PM »

chainy-> No. he's useful if you morph him into someone like Oguma or Navarre, but he won't get any EXP if you fight while morphed. unmorphed, he's pure garbage
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2008, 01:55:58 AM »

chainy-> No. he's useful if you morph him into someone like Oguma or Navarre, but he won't get any EXP if you fight while morphed. unmorphed, he's pure garbage

'Kay I though he might have been at least decent otherwise also while I was waiting for a response I did some (okay a lot) of testing with Chainy
*It would appear that a lot of people overlook ever trying to use him (yet he usually gets a mentionable position if someone makes a good/top character list)
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on the info of my own Chainy research:

His transforming is indeed useful and only made better if he transforms into a powerhouse like Oguma or Navarre (Marth is also a good candidate but that could just be my overall experience with him talking)

The one problem with transforming him into anyone without leveling him up a fair amount would be HP (which is the one think I felt he could most use) though Angel Robes are easily the best solution
to that problem

The 2 best ways to level him up are to weaken an enemy with another character then allow Chainy to kill it (most recommended) or if you'd like in a coliseum (which tends to be dangerous unless you use savestates) additionally you could just transform him a bunch of times although he stays in whatever form for about 5 turns or so thus that could be time consuming (100 exp. = 1 lv.
10 exp. per transformation, 5 turns per transformation =
10 transformations which means 50 turns total to increase by 1 lv.)
although that didn't bother me much because I had already spent 180+ turns there experimenting stuff

also it's worth noting if you use the risky coliseum method (which can be more time consuming than trans. leveling by the way) that transforming Chainy only makes things worse there unless adequately leveled in his base because otherwise he'll attract high lv. enemies because character lv. is mimicked and although he would then have the strength, luck and such that could normally pull one through his HP once again becomes his Achilles Heel and negates the usefulness overall things had become a bit easier for me by the time he hit lv. 10 (although it usually does for me the first 10 lv.'s always seem the worst but with Chainy more so)

Nonetheless if you can manage to get him through the first half the rest of the levels should come easy
I still put serious recommendation on Angel Robes which you should be able to spare a few for him

once you get around the HP flaw Chainy is pretty good and I also feel he's worth an honorable mention thats not to say he's the best character (because he isn't) but certainly worth the use if you take some extra time to level him up

P.S. I think Chainy's Cap Stats and Growth Rates are something like this but I'm not entirely sure

HP: 52                    G Rate: 50%                      G Rate: 50%
Strength: 20            G Rate: 30%                      G Rate: 30%
Skill: 20                   G Rate: 10%                      G Rate: 10%
Weapon level: 20       G Rate: 30%           OR       G Rate: 0%
Speed: 20                G Rate: 40%                      G Rate: 20%
Defense: 20              G Rate: 20%                      G Rate: 20%
Resistance: 7            G Rate: 3%                        G Rate: 0%
Luck: 20                   G Rate: 30%                      G Rate: 20%

I forget which is his correct Growth Rate (G Rate)
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I'm not sure how my results measure up but if anybody would like to comment or share their Chainy experience It'd be appreciated I like hearing opinions and seeing how much results vary (besides I never hear much on Chainy)
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2008, 04:49:14 AM »

anyone know how to put pictures IN a post instead of attaching only one at the bottom? (if possible)
Yes it is certainly possible. Two things:
First, it is done with the image tag:
Code:
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Secondly, you need to put the image up somewhere on the internet. Photobucket is a good example of a free service to do this with.

As for Chainy. If it wasn't for the HP problem and stealing EXP (by not gaining it and if he kills units not letting others gain it) I hear both problems are fixed for the DS release he would be a very nice Jack of all trades. Transforming as the situation sees fit into the best character for the situation. But as he is its probably better you use a slot for a more valuable party member.
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2008, 07:43:41 AM »

I suggest using Wendel instead of Rena. He can attack since the moment he joins, is more durable and doesn't use a promo item (which is great since you get only 2 guiding rings before the secret shop with promo items).

Also, promote as soon as possible. From my experience, characters don't reach 20/20 unless you arena abuse, and promoted units don't gain experience any slower.

On the subject of Chainy. He's one of the best units in the game. Transform him into Maric or Linda and you got another healer and res-targetting attacker. Who cares if he doesn't gain experience? His stats don't depend on it. The downside woud be needing an angel robe, but being a 1-2 range atttacker and back up unit it doesn't matter much. Of course, giving him the robe is still viable, since he didn't need a promo item like most units.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2008, 10:33:20 AM »

I suggest using Wendel instead of Rena. He can attack since the moment he joins, is more durable and doesn't use a promo item

Huh, usually my experiences with Wendel weren't that good *shrugs*
besides pre-promotes are usually never as good as one who is promoted right? I have plenty of cash so...
besides you also get Rena a lot earlier (not that I don't value the input)

also thanks for the image info Starwolf_UK

and I'm retrying Book 2 (even though I never got that far In the first place) and I don't know whether to use Luke, Rody, or Cecile  *sighs* why couldn't Abel or even Kain be here I suppose I should ask what each excels in eh? (anybody who's Abel-esque?) I'm not sure why I'm retrying because I haven't quite beaten Book 1 and I'm forever stuck at Chapter 2 of Book 2
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