Neir bloodline?

[Jarod the dark mage]

Why do langobalt and Dannan both have major Neir blood? Is Dannan Langobalt's son...? But Schmidt also has major Neir blood in the final chapter... did I just miss something?

[JohnMichael]

I can't remember the Neir family links all that well, so perhaps someone else can shed more light on this. All I was going to say was this: it was my understanding that as long as one of the holy bloodlines continues, there is some small chance that a new holy warrior of major blood can be born, even when only one of the parents has minor blood, while the other has none at all.

It's the only real explanation I can think of for why Deidre is forbidden to marry or leave the forest in Verdane; I'm fairly certain the village elders didn't know that someone else of minor Lopto blood existed as well, but perhaps there's some FE4 backstory from outside the game that I'm unaware of...

[VincentASM is too important to have a messed up name]

Danan is Langobalt's eldest son. The guy in the last chapter is Danan's eldest son.

[Jarod the dark mage]

Ah I see, but wouldn't that make Lex Danan's brother? ( they don't look like eachother ).
At any rate.. as far as I can remember there used to be a chart here on a topic, where you could see the connections of all the charcters from the game.. does anybody know where I can find that?

[VincentASM is too important to have a messed up name]

Lex and Danan are indeed brothers.

Brian (the guy from the Final Chapter) doesn't look much like Johan or Johalva, I think, but they're all siblings as well.

At any rate.. as far as I can remember there used to be a chart here on a topic, where you could see the connections of all the charcters from the game.. does anybody know where I can find that?

I remember Togieduo made that chart. You should try asking him for it.

Anyway, I could summarise all the official relations in the meantime, if you want.

[Jarod the dark mage]

Thanks for the help Vincent, I asked Togiduo for the chart... but I have yet to recieve a reply.

[Sir GTF]

The larger bloodlines whose members we know more of are Odo and Tordo.

Odo we know of King Mannanan with his son Maricle and his daughter Ayra, followed by Maricle's son Shannan and Ayra's twins Skasaher and Lakche.  Also tied into the tree are Holyn, Galzus, and his daughter Mareeta.  They would probably be some level of cousin to their respective generations if we were to assume Mannanan's lineage is the most direct from Crusader Odo because they carry the Balmung and rule over the entire region of Isaac.

Tordo is also a very large tree with people we know about.  Starting with Reptor who had 3 kids, Blume, Tiltyu, and Ethnia.  Each of them had two kids of their own: Blume had Isthor and Isthar, Tiltyu had Arthur and Tinny, and Ethnia had Amid and Linda.  Going further, General Kempf is some sort of cousin to the 3rd generation listed above as he's used his Minor Tordo to bully his way up the chain of command to his current rank and he's overly arrogant about his relation to the Freege royal family.  IIRC, It's been mentioned sometime in the past here that Barat from Ch 20 of Thracia 776 also has a Minor Tordo.

I guess in that same sense the Ulir line is pretty largely known to us too- Ling and his 3 kids, Briggid, Edin, and Andre- each of them had kids: Faval and Patty; Lester and Rana; and Scorpio, respectively.  As mentioned, in Neir we have Langobalt with his two sons Dannan and Lex, followed by Dannan's three sons Brian, Johan, and Johalva, and any possible kids Lex might have had.  Not quite as large as the first two.

There are supposed to be a lot of Minor Falas running around because Victor fathered many bastard kids and Arvis exiled them all except Azel (seems really more because he was in love with Azel's mother than out of any actual affection for Azel himself) when he took over the house of Velthomer.  But we don't know any of them, we just know of the next Major Fala, Cyas, Arvis's own bastard son spawned from General Aida.  Whether or not Isthor and Isthar should have Minor Falas with their Tordo blood is still up in the air as far as I know but its stated Hilda's from the House of Velthomer and she does have a Minor Fala when you fight her the first time (second time she incorrectly has a Major Dein, and Scorpio's missing a Minor Ulir too)

We also know that there are apparently more Heims than originally stated too since Sarah and Linoan are both Minor Heim even though FE4 kinda acted like Dierdre was the last Heim of any level after Kurt was assassinated and Amzule was getting too old.

[VincentASM is too important to have a messed up name]

Like in the past, I'm still "eh" about Sara and Baraat having any holy blood at all. There must have been some reason for the claim, but it's never been validated in recent times.

Otherwise, those relations look pretty spot-on. Well, GTF does know their stuff : P

[Zeraine]

The larger bloodlines whose members we know more of are Odo and Tordo.

Odo we know of King Mannanan with his son Maricle and his daughter Ayra, followed by Maricle's son Shannan and Ayra's twins Skasaher and Lakche.  Also tied into the tree are Holyn, Galzus, and his daughter Mareeta.  They would probably be some level of cousin to their respective generations if we were to assume Mannanan's lineage is the most direct from Crusader Odo because they carry the Balmung and rule over the entire region of Isaac.

Tordo is also a very large tree with people we know about.  Starting with Reptor who had 3 kids, Blume, Tiltyu, and Ethnia.  Each of them had two kids of their own: Blume had Isthor and Isthar, Tiltyu had Arthur and Tinny, and Ethnia had Amid and Linda.  Going further, General Kempf is some sort of cousin to the 3rd generation listed above as he's used his Minor Tordo to bully his way up the chain of command to his current rank and he's overly arrogant about his relation to the Freege royal family.  IIRC, It's been mentioned sometime in the past here that Barat from Ch 20 of Thracia 776 also has a Minor Tordo.

I guess in that same sense the Ulir line is pretty largely known to us too- Ling and his 3 kids, Briggid, Edin, and Andre- each of them had kids: Faval and Patty; Lester and Rana; and Scorpio, respectively.  As mentioned, in Neir we have Langobalt with his two sons Dannan and Lex, followed by Dannan's three sons Brian, Johan, and Johalva, and any possible kids Lex might have had.  Not quite as large as the first two.

There are supposed to be a lot of Minor Falas running around because Victor fathered many bastard kids and Arvis exiled them all except Azel (seems really more because he was in love with Azel's mother than out of any actual affection for Azel himself) when he took over the house of Velthomer.  But we don't know any of them, we just know of the next Major Fala, Cyas, Arvis's own bastard son spawned from General Aida.  Whether or not Isthor and Isthar should have Minor Falas with their Tordo blood is still up in the air as far as I know but its stated Hilda's from the House of Velthomer and she does have a Minor Fala when you fight her the first time (second time she incorrectly has a Major Dein, and Scorpio's missing a Minor Ulir too)

We also know that there are apparently more Heims than originally stated too since Sarah and Linoan are both Minor Heim even though FE4 kinda acted like Dierdre was the last Heim of any level after Kurt was assassinated and Amzule was getting too old.

Very good list there.
How much do we know about Blaggi?
Is it just Blaggi -> unknown people -> Claude -> whatever children? And where does Sylvia come into place?

[Sir GTF]

Like in the past, I'm still "eh" about Sara and Baraat having any holy blood at all. There must have been some reason for the claim, but it's never been validated in recent times.

I agree that Barat is really fishy- outside of some sourcebook saying so, I think people assumed as such because he's got the Tordo scroll on him, which really wouldn't mean anything.  Sara, equally coming out of nowhere, makes sense to me when you consider her grandfather has her locked away never to be let out and murdered her father (or was it her parents in general, memory's a bit fuzzy without checking the sources directly)- seems like sensible actions if Heim was in the equation, the one wrench that can be thrown in Manfroy's plans.

Otherwise, those relations look pretty spot-on. Well, GTF does know their stuff : P

It is what I do after all, probably the only thing I was known for here.

Very good list there.
How much do we know about Blaggi?
Is it just Blaggi -> unknown people -> Claude -> whatever children? And where does Sylvia come into place?

Claude's pretty much the start of our known members of the bloodline, and then we have Sylvia and her kids: Lynn and Corple.  Where Sylvia fits into the family is up in the air, but Claude admits she seems very familiar to him and that she reminds him of his sister who was kidnapped by bandits and never seen again.  Sylvia's sketchy background kinda checks out with that story- so there's heavy implication that she is his sister.  There is popular theory that Sleuf might be a Blaggi too based on how he claims to be acting on Claude's will from beyond the grave.  He mentions is involvement in the game is because he's been following instructions from Claude via dreams.  That might not actually require having the blood to be on the receiving end of such a power though- so again, speculative at best.

Baldo's pretty thin from what we know- Byron and his kids Sigurd and Ethlin, and their kids Celice, Leaf and Altheena.  Oifaye and his grandfather also hail from the Baldo bloodline.  I can't remember Oifaye's grandfather's name off the top of my head, it's mentioned once at most and he's never seen anyway- just mentioned he's a genius strategist and that Oifaye takes after him in that regard.

Hezul the most we know by name starts with Eltosian and Lachesis, ends with Aless, Delmud, and Nanna.  Felgus also has a Minor Hezul too but there is nothing known about how he fits into the tree- or much of anything about him really, that he's a bastard son of Beowulf is speculative at best.  We just know he has some sort of connection to him, which is a vague statement.

To finish it off, Noba's also kinda thin- Starts with King Calf and his son Cuan, ends with Leaf and Altheena.  Dein's even worse, our knowledge of it starts with Trabant and ends with Arione.

I don't want to go into the Seti bloodline because that's really awkward to figure out since iirc there was some consistency issue about Levin's parents and his uncles.  Either his mother actually has the Major but the dialog really implied it was his father (by emphasizing that only Levin can wield Holsety), or his dead father did and his brothers are for some reason missing their minors.  Aside from that there's Sety and Fee.  There's also that mage knight in Ch 9 who you pick Tornado off of, but I think he really only has it so  he could use the spell as a Mage Knight- the brief comments about him only say he's got a grudge against Silesians because his father was killed in battle against their pegasus knights.

I'm probably forgetting some insignificant, one-off people in these, but they really don't matter too much by virtue of being disposable boss characters or people never actually seen in any material.

[nivek]

Baldo's pretty thin from what we know- Byron and his kids Sigurd and Ethlin, and their kids Celice, Leaf and Altheena.  Oifaye and his grandfather also hail from the Baldo bloodline.  I can't remember Oifaye's grandfather's name off the top of my head, it's mentioned once at most and he's never seen anyway- just mentioned he's a genius strategist and that Oifaye takes after him in that regard.

The name of Oifaye's Grandfather(and maybe Sigurd Grandfather too) is Cesar(sometimes Write Saesar, maybe for the japannese meaning and Pronuntiation, the name mark is maybe base in Julius Cesar, but is only a Historical Allusion i Think)

I agree that Barat is really fishy- outside of some sourcebook saying so, I think people assumed as such because he's got the Tordo scroll on him, which really wouldn't mean anything.  Sara, equally coming out of nowhere, makes sense to me when you consider her grandfather has her locked away never to be let out and murdered her father (or was it her parents in general, memory's a bit fuzzy without checking the sources directly)- seems like sensible actions if Heim was in the equation, the one wrench that can be thrown in Manfroy's plans.

It is what I do after all, probably the only thing I was known for here.

is too some Weird about the Heim Blood of Linoan and Sara(a fanfic-urban legend give minor Heim blood to manfloy but is only a fanfic) and is someone is always ask for many friends in Spanish Forum,

and What IIRC means?

[Lord Fuckboy]

IIRC means "If I recall/remember correctly."

We should have a sticky in every single board saying "IIRC MEANS IF I RECALL/REMEMBER CORRECTLY" just to prevent people from asking that but it's really not the wisest of ideas.

[Zeraine]

Claude's pretty much the start of our known members of the bloodline, and then we have Sylvia and her kids: Lynn and Corple.  Where Sylvia fits into the family is up in the air, but Claude admits she seems very familiar to him and that she reminds him of his sister who was kidnapped by bandits and never seen again.  Sylvia's sketchy background kinda checks out with that story- so there's heavy implication that she is his sister.  There is popular theory that Sleuf might be a Blaggi too based on how he claims to be acting on Claude's will from beyond the grave.  He mentions is involvement in the game is because he's been following instructions from Claude via dreams.  That might not actually require having the blood to be on the receiving end of such a power though- so again, speculative at best.

Really? I heard from something posted (treasures of something...it was just extra information released for Seisen no kofu (and Tracia 776?))
And it stated that Claude and Sylvia were not siblings... so that could mean that Claude's sister is out there...

[Sir GTF]

No that's correct, it does state they're not siblings.  It's a rather bullshit cop out considering how damn strong the implication is in the actual game.  Like I said, she's technically up in the air on her exact relation to Claude.  Ignoring everything the game itself wants us to think- she's likely some sort of cousin considering her apparent age in comparison to Claude's assumed age. 

Personally I think they should have just left it with how it's written in the game conversations, what's one more sibling incest occurrence in this game?  Granted it would be the only full sibling case, Arvis/Dierdre and the heavily implied Eltosian/Lachesis are both half-siblings.  Then again, a lot of times the sourcebook info will contradict in-game dialog, especially in regards to Lachesis and her kids and when particular events occurred.  You gotta take it like a retcon really.

[Jarod the dark mage]

Alright thanks for the info guys, i apriciate it