So, Code Geass is over(spoilers will occur)

[Raisin Bagel]

So, did anyone watch the finale of Code Geass?

Personally, I don't know what to think about the last part. There's speculation that the man driving the carriage was Lelouch, but I'm not quite sure. Lelouch was definitely, you know, stabbed, but the way C.C. says "Right, Lelouch?" at the end could hint otherwise. I couldn't really tell if she was looking back, or if she was looking up at the sky as if to talk to the dead.

Also, does anyone know how Guilford Nunally and Sayako survived the FLEIJA?

[Bob Jr. of Bob Sr.]

So, did anyone watch the finale of Code Geass?

Personally, I don't know what to think about the last part. There's speculation that the man driving the carriage was Lelouch, but I'm not quite sure. Lelouch was definitely, you know, stabbed, but the way C.C. says "Right, Lelouch?" at the end could hint otherwise. I couldn't really tell if she was looking back, or if she was looking up at the sky as if to talk to the dead.

There's plentiful evidence to suggest that he survived.

Lelouch had Charles' code, which he gained from him when Charles was dying. However, the code cannot and does not activate, giving the user immortality, until they are mortally wounded. notice that C.C. did not possess immortality and lose her Geass until she was killed by the Code user before her.

The better thing about Lelouch is that he gets to keep his Geass, because he obtained the Code from someone else other than the individual that gave him the contract, and thus he did not have to hand in his Geass for immortality. Though I guess that could be more of a curse.

I'd rather have it if he died, however. It was fair for Lelouch to kick the bucket, and it was basically that one act that redeemed him as a character in my eyes. If he actually lived through the attack, I'd actually find it a rather unbecoming and terrible ending. This one is terrific, and displays both Lelouch's impossibly vast intellectual capabilities, and his desire to help the world, even at the ultimate expense of his own life. I found his actions incredibly deplorable throughout the show, but I rather liked his manner of atoning for them, and do hope it was genuine in the story's canon.

Before, and earlier in the series, I had hoped it would end with him getting together with C.C., or Karen (or both...yeah, I went there). But as the series went on, I just didn't really feel that it would justify either his behavior or what he deserved for all that he had done, and all the lives he had trampled over. I really liked the kind of vibe that the show eventually gave off, that beings like him that violated the very essence of others should not exist, and if he were to essentially later on accept that and die...it just seems to bring the entire anime full circle. The birth of a hero, the life of a hero, and the death of a hero. We got to see it all, including the hero becoming the villain (or, depending on who you are, a villain becoming a worse villain). This is probably one of the only anime where I would prefer the main character to lack a significant other and live happily ever after.

[WyvernSageLord]

Man... talk about a chaotic ending. I admit, so much happened in that anime, and it often kept me on the edge, especially with the middle to ending episodes to the Second Season. First Shirley, (holy shit!) then Nunally (though she came back later), and then finally Lelouch himself, eh? Still, I certainly don't know myself if he died or not.

Heck, even the producer may have left his fate undecided. (Remember Cowboy Bebop?)

[Eltoshen]

I think Lelouch is seriously dead because C.C was crying when she had stated something along the lines of, "This is the path he chose"--referring to his death.

[Bob Jr. of Bob Sr.]

Man... talk about a chaotic ending. I admit, so much happened in that anime, and it often kept me on the edge, especially with the middle to ending episodes to the Second Season. First Shirley, (holy shit!) then Nunally (though she came back later), and then finally Lelouch himself, eh? Still, I certainly don't know myself if he died or not.

Heck, even the producer may have left his fate undecided. (Remember Cowboy Bebop?)

==Man, I wish the guy would at least show whether he died or not. Now there's a character I'm hoping survived.

I think Lelouch is seriously dead because C.C was crying when she had stated something along the lines of, "This is the path he chose"--referring to his death.

==Yeah, and there's quite a bit of evidence that he did survive.

The Code, which grants immortality to the ones that gain it, is possessed by both C.C. and Charles, the 98th emperor of the Brittanian empire. Lelouch gains this in episode twenty-one while Charles is attempting to strangle him, which is the basic reason why he ordered Suzaku to stay back.

The thing is, you don't gain immortality until you die. C.C didn't become immortal until she was killed by the nun. Likewise, Charles' code did not activate until he shot himself in the heart.

This is completely supported by the end, when Nunally is aware of the plan because she experiences Lelouch's memories by merely touching him, in the very same sense that Lelouch did when he touched C.C. This almost definitely confirms that he is now a Code-holder. His name itself also seems to have a say. C.C., V.V., and now Lelouch Lamperouge (or Rerouch Ramerouge, whatever). R.R./L.L. Seems to be another nod in the direction.

There is a close-up on the cart driver in the final scene, and it appears to be Lelouch in disguise. Why would they even go into the trouble of animating the side of his head if he weren't a significant character? You can see his dark hair for a few frames too, if you pay attention. Finally, when C.C. says "Right, Lelouch?", she tilts her head back as though to address the driver (who would be Lelouch, if this theory were correct).

Of course, some of this can be turned around, if one goes out on a limb or two. And it would be relatively fair to do so, since I think that a happily ever after scenario for Lelouch would be total shit, but yeah.

[SlippyToasterTrooper_UK]

The series was entertaining to watch but first season was better for being more believable and having a much better pace in terms of introducing cast members.

Second season was a trainwreck and pretty much forgot character development (towards the end half of the cast was basically there for few second screen time battles) and had characters act according to their ratings in popularity polls (after a certain episode Rolo fell right down and after another episode Rolo rised and Toudou fell) or how the script told them to act. A bloated cast is partly to blame. Hmm where have we seen that before...

That and it was a bit too much "Knight Boat" (you know Simpsons) at times. "Black Knights there is no escape", "Oh look an escape canal that the Empire and nobody but Zero knows about". Lelouch was a genius tactician in a world of retards. How many times can one fall for *blow up the terrain*? Guess that is why there were so many air battles in the series. Not much terrain to blow up in the sky.

And lets not forget the "Hi there. You last saw me englufed in a huge explosion. I'm not going to explain how I survived though" that happened to virtually every single member of the cast!

I still enjoyed watching it though because as I said the whole thing was entertaining if a little too absurd at times.

As for unanswered questions. C.C. real name...remember they teased us with it early on in the first season and never bought it up Geass cult (or whatever it was called) was just there for your typical "Black knights killing innocents and so question the king and get given a "package" to deliever to Mist village...".

As for the ending. I was expecting to see the Spice and wolf cast in the last scene

Also, does anyone know how Guilford Nunally and Sayako survived the FLEIJA?

Guilford is explained as "Wizard did it". Another thing shouldn't his Geass still be active and so when he sees Emperor Lelouch...guess a Wizard did that too...or he is under total media blackout. Yeah, yeah I know Nanully was able to dispell geass so it is possible.

Nunally and Sayako was said in the series. The escape vehicle seen to be destroyed was a decoy. The real one was fine. Though given Sayakos wounds I'm guessing she was captured and did a runner or was in the decoy vehicle and somehow survived with her ninjitsu.

[Celestie]

I've read a lot about C.C. talking to a not visible Lelouch at the end...(though I haven't seen it myself yet).

...but I also read somewhere that C.C. is/was talking to Marianne that way...and she's clearly dead...or am I wrong? Oh wait, don't answer that. I better find out myself by finishing CGR2....

Just my though ...a though of someone who doesn't know the details of the end yet. Thoughit makes me sad that the series is finished...for good ;.

[Raisin Bagel]

Um, wasn't it confirmed that Spike is dead in Cowboy Bebop, or did I miss something?

[Eltoshen]

By the way, Code Geass R2 could probably stand for R.R. xD  That'd be pretty interesting.

[Charliecane]

Um, wasn't it confirmed that Spike is dead in Cowboy Bebop, or did I miss something?

I don't believe it was ever officially stated that Spike was dead. From what I understand, even Shinchiro Watanabe says he is unsure of whether or not Spike died.

[WyvernSageLord]

Um, wasn't it confirmed that Spike is dead in Cowboy Bebop, or did I miss something?

See the thing is...? The producer said it wasn't. Quote from wiki.

also in an interview, Watanabe stated "I've never officially said that he died. At this point, I can tell you that I'm not sure if he's alive or dead."[3] He also stated that he believes fans would be upset if there was a continuation.

[Raisin Bagel]

Wow, I was really convinced he was dead, and I kind of hope he is. YES I DO LIKE SPIKE, it's just that the scene wouldn't be as...well...good. As I said before, I loved Spike, but the way he went out was awesome. "Bang"

[Bob Jr. of Bob Sr.]

Um, wasn't it confirmed that Spike is dead in Cowboy Bebop, or did I miss something?

==Nah. Like everyone else said, it's still unsure whether he's dead or not. He could've survived. Though it would kind of be unlikely, unless the Syndicate members there just decided not to cap him after he'd collapsed on the staircase.

By the way, Code Geass R2 could probably stand for R.R. xD  That'd be pretty interesting.

==Exactly. Rerouch Ramperouge (R.R, or R2) achieved Code Geass (he obtained both the Code and Geass).

[Shaya]

R2 = R.R. = You're an idiot. It's a theory, nothing dictates it as such. Hell here's a much more plausable 'theory' (wait, not theory, FACT) "Lelouch of the Rebellion" = Season 1, R2 = Rebellion 2, oh oh ho ho. Thinking it's some idea that it's meaning R.R. for "Rerouch Ra.." no, okay, NO.

2nd: There is no proof Lelouch achieved Charles' code. None what so ever.

3rd: Point 2 is of course a viable excuse if they were to extend the story to where Lelouch survived, but it's sappy and stupid.

4th: The idea of achieving 'Code Geass' was never a motif in the series what so ever.

5th: Marianne wasn't dead in the utmost sense, her geass was the ability to live in the minds of others. Her dying allowed her to exist in the mind of Anya, C.C. being able to talk to a 'living' spirit was canon.

Fanfaction more kids. The ambiguity of the ending is set in stone. Don't make me copypasta over a 9 billion images/posts about how STUPID your theories are.

[Bob Jr. of Bob Sr.]

R2 = R.R. = You're an idiot. It's a theory, nothing dictates it as such. Hell here's a much more plausable 'theory' (wait, not theory, FACT) "Lelouch of the Rebellion" = Season 1, R2 = Rebellion 2, oh oh ho ho. Thinking it's some idea that it's meaning R.R. for "Rerouch Ra.." no, okay, NO.

==Either sound alright, really. I'm really only posting from what I've heard. But yeah, hey, call another's intelligence into question, that's not childish.

2nd: There is no proof Lelouch achieved Charles' code. None what so ever.

==I think it's more assumed based on Nunally being able to see Lelouch's memories by touching him.

4th: The idea of achieving 'Code Geass' was never a motif in the series what so ever.

==It seemed to be. Either it was that you achieve the code by giving up your Geass, or you obtain both.

[Shaya]

There's a difference between common sense and intelligence. Not knowing the difference is perhaps childish.

Comparing humongously unsourced/fanfiction crapouts to canon is idiocy.

Code Geass was -alright-, its ending was obviously purposely set ambiguous for whatever reason. To perhaps resolve it in the future, or just to be 'annoying'? Don't know.

But unless the former happens, all the 'theories' are nothing but.

[Bob Jr. of Bob Sr.]

There's a difference between common sense and intelligence. Not knowing the difference is perhaps childish.

==Calling me an idiot was totally uncalled for. I was relating content I found relevant to the discussion that I thought brought light on the ending and suggested his survival from another discussion. Whether it was confirmed by the creators or not is irrelevant, and the entire reason that there are even theories on the matter is based on it being unconfirmed.

[Eltoshen]

R2 = R.R. = You're an idiot. It's a theory, nothing dictates it as such. Hell here's a much more plausable 'theory' (wait, not theory, FACT) "Lelouch of the Rebellion" = Season 1, R2 = Rebellion 2, oh oh ho ho. Thinking it's some idea that it's meaning R.R. for "Rerouch Ra.." no, okay, NO.

2nd: There is no proof Lelouch achieved Charles' code. None what so ever.

3rd: Point 2 is of course a viable excuse if they were to extend the story to where Lelouch survived, but it's sappy and stupid.

4th: The idea of achieving 'Code Geass' was never a motif in the series what so ever.

5th: Marianne wasn't dead in the utmost sense, her geass was the ability to live in the minds of others. Her dying allowed her to exist in the mind of Anya, C.C. being able to talk to a 'living' spirit was canon.

Fanfaction more kids. The ambiguity of the ending is set in stone. Don't make me copypasta over a 9 billion images/posts about how STUPID your theories are.

Wow, way to be a freaking troll when I was just naming a possibility.  Get over yourself.  If you'd had read earlier in the topic, I stated clearly that Lelouch was dead, I was just adding onto somebody else's theory.  And LOL at your statement, "There's a difference between common sense and intelligence. Not knowing the difference is perhaps childish."

It's a freaking Japanese Cartoon.  And Code Geass R2 is basically short for "Crack Gayass: RuRu".  Everybody and their moms die and come back to life.  And you think the theory that Lelouch is alive is ridiculous?  Your "intelligence" doesn't apply to everything, as you'd have hoped.