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« on: October 21, 2008, 09:43:09 AM »

I've been an administrator here since April of 2004, and with a break for my "retirement" in 2006, I've been the #1 admin here, more or less, since about November of that year. In the time that I've been in charge, I've always maintained a policy of transparency with the user base; I try to let people know what's going on with the community, whether it's good or bad, and though it's led to some hairy moments - most notably the people I had to suspend just before the Jet Incident - I feel it's always been mutually beneficial to everyone, with the members knowing what's going on, and the staff - I hope - garnering trust that we have everyone's best interests in mine. Obviously, we can't tell people EVERYTHING that's going on - that's just bad security - but we keep people well informed, and don't really have a lot of secrets. Naturally, this is easier in some times than it is in others.

This is one of those times when I rethink that policy, because times like this suck. Let me explain our current situation to everyone.

Our activity is down. Very down. Our posting numbers outside the CD are atrocious, and furthermore, we're no longer even the most popular FE forum at the moment (that would be Serene's Forest). I've noticed a problem keeping non-shitty new members; they come, check out the place, but don't stick around to the effect that they used to. What's most disturbing about that is a general malaise about the whole thing; no one seems too concerned about it, and even activity among our staff is down. In short, these are the telltale signs of a community in decline; not just a blip, explainable by trends and real-life realities (school starting, Christmas coming up, etc.), but steadily, rapidly and potentially permanently declining, and furthermore, losing sight of what our main purpose is. For awhile now, we've have been less of a Fire Emblem board, and more of an insular community of friends that happens to have Fire Emblem in the name, and while that's good for us, that's not particularly welcoming to newbies. Again, not many people outside of myself and a few isolated members have really noticed this, but it's happening; there have been a few times when I've looked at our active members compared to Serene's Forest, and noticed that we'd have a good 10, 15 fewer active members at one time, during peak hours. Hell, we have a new Fire Emblem game out in Japan, and the board dedicated to that game sometimes goes days without posts! That NEVER happened with the prior games!

I'm seeing the writing on the wall, and the writing says that we have to make changes. Big changes. We essentially have to rebuild a few things from the ground up. And to do that, we're going to have to ruffle some feathers. Consider said feathers ruffled.

The first thing I've done - and easily the thing I've hated the most - is streamlined our staff. I can say whatever word I can think of that softens what happened, or euphemizes it, but the plain truth of the situation is that we've let people go. They weren't fired, becuase they did nothing wrong; in reality, they were laid off, because I want the remaining people to be known unequivocally as the leaders of this community; I feel that effect has been lessened of late because there's been too much staff for too little work, which is really a byproduct of our busier days. The staff members that have been let go are YokaiKnight, CrazyDitto, Neiko, and both Ice and Black Dragon. There will be no replacements for the time being, though if the situation arises that we need to add staff, I wouldn't be opposed to adding any of these people back, as they did their jobs well.

"Wait a minute... two retirements, five people being released..." Yes, they're linked. I asked for Togieduo's resignation because I needed to get things back under control in all aspects, and Jack's had a very tumultuous time for awhile, between school, and some other happenings in his personal life. He's tried, but he hasn't been able to stay active, and couldn't give me a promise that he could be as active as he'd like to be; that's definitely understandable considering his situation, and how things have changed for him recently, but the simple fact of the matter is that we need all of our admins to be the face of our site, and Jack didn't think he was able to promise me he could do that. Asking Jack to resign is easily the hardest thing I've had to do here; he's our oldest senior member, and very close to a lot of members, myself included, and it was very emotional and gut-wrenching to have to go through with that. Seeing his retirement thread almost made me break down, and I have no shame in saying that; it was definitely a transition, and while it's one I feel was necessary, that doesn't make things any easier.

"But what about Willfor?". Will had been planning retirement for quite awhile, but had never gotten around to it for one reason or another. We have conducted our business for a couple months with Will essentially out of the loop, so when I started to think seriously about this, I went to him and essentially let him know what was up, and gave him the chance to bow out the way he wanted to. I wish I could have given the other five that chance, to be honest.

There are more changes to come as well. For one, we're going to cut down the number of boards we have. I might consolidate some of the Fire Emblem boards, and I'm also considering putting fanfiction and art together. And unless someone tells me otherwise, I think I can consider Blacky Wacky's grand RPG project dead, so I'll just get rid of that. This will reduce the number of boards on the front page, and hopefully get rid of some of the clutter that a few people have complained about.

I'm also considering a change of aesthetics. Right now, we have three forum skins, but all anyone uses is the classic one, to my knowledge. I'm considering - if I can get the expertise to do it - changing our layout to be at least a bit more pleasing to the eye, or at the very least, less of a mess, as we've essentially had the same look for the past six years.

I'm also going to work on the main site. For this, I need - NEED - the memberbase. One of the main problems we've had is that people will promise us submissions and projects, but when it comes time to put their nose to the grindstone and get the work done, those same members oftentimes find another shiny object to stare at. Right now, we've got two people working on the main site, and of those two, only one of them - Crystal Shards - has any business being a webmaster, as it's definitely the area in which I'm at my worst. Anyone that wants to contribute, or work on, the main site should let Crystal or I know in PM.

Finally, I am, effective immediately, reinstating Crystal Eli/Otosareta Tenshi/Jyosua as a member of FESS, under a probationary GEOS period. We banned Eli way, way, WAY back in 2005, and back then, he was a problematic member; he came back as Otosareta Tenshi a year later, a markedly improved member, but wasn't forward with who he was, so we banned that member, too. Since then, he's been a model member of the fandom, and is currently the main administrator for SF's forums. To keep someone who's grown up so much in the past couple of years off the site because of something he did in March of 2005 is short-sighted and foolish, and this is something I've been pushing for for the past year and a half. Before, politics - well reasoned arguments from very smart people, but politics nonetheless - kept him out. I am not letting politics stand in our way anymore.

This leads to another big change: I'm taking the bull by the balls. When I retired in 2006, DMAJohnson took over as root administrator, a title that had significance on the old Invisionfree site, but doesn't mean as much now that we have our own site; the root basically is the board of directors. Going back to the main point, Dale left as root in 2007 after the Jet Incident, as I took it over on an interim basis. I gave it to Sword Saint per Dale's wishes. There's only one problem: no one took them seriously. Dale's reign as root was blistered by infighting among the staff (and before anyone says he was weak, as some of you pillocks are wont to do, the fact that the infighting didn't become public knowledge until Jet and Zephyr blew up is a testament to what he did. He did fantastic at keeping the members isolated from the bullshit behind the scenes), and Steve's natural inclination to let things work led members to believe that they weren't really in charge, and that I was still the man behind the scenes. The fact is that I really haven't been until recently, when I've decided that I need to step in and take control. Perception is reality in cases like this, so if the members - even if they're wrong - believe that I'm in charge, I really have to take charge, then. So from this point on, I'm once again the "root", and Sword Saint and Lord Glenn will be working with me to get us out of our current situation (and before anyone assumes this is a power grab, that was actually SS's idea).

That leads to the main reason why I'm going so hardcore with these changes: I can't keep this up. When I left in 2006, everyone assumed I was still in charge because I was paying the bills; only Dale got that it didn't matter who paid the bills, rules had to be followed by everyone, even me. That wasn't helped when Sword Saint took over, as he more or less defaulted to me because I pay the bills. The fact is this: as long as I am the backing of this community, I will always be The Man in the eyes of the memberbase, no matter what I do to prove that wrong. Therefore, I feel the community needs to get to the point where it can subsist without me, as if I got hit by a bus. Right now, it's not close, not only from a financial standpoint, but also from a leadership standpoint; the fact that I'm stepping up as the unquestioned top guy right now is testament to that. I pay for another year of our site in January (and yes, I will be paying), and that will lead me into my 29th birthday in May. Frankly, if I'm still root by that time, we have much bigger issues, and that's going to be indicative of our ability to lead once I move on, and to be honest, I WILL be moving on soon. I'm exhausted, and I feel a lot of the responsibility for the community stagnating falls on my shoulders, due to my lack of energy for the job at this point. I'm regarding all of this as a last stab towards the goals that I set forth in 2006.

All of the members will see some significant changes over the next few weeks. I need all of those members to let me know what they think, what they think can be done to improve things, what is thought of where we stand, and any ideas. I can't stress enough how important this period in our history is; it's crucial. And if the community is to continue the way it has, I need the members of said community to pitch in. Either we pull out of this, we slowly rot, or I explore other options; I absolutely will not accept option 2.
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 09:48:55 AM »

Fucking took you long enough. You need a hand, you know where to find me.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2008, 09:56:27 AM »

Fucking took you long enough. You need a hand, you know where to find me.
Ed, you say that as if I've been sitting around with my fucking thumb up my ass, gaily wallowing away the days of my youth. I've seen this happening for awhile, and before making changes, I needed to make ABSOLUTELY sure that this was a trend, and not a blip. Decisions of this nature don't happen wily-nilly, and if they did... well, we'd be dead by now.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2008, 09:57:03 AM »

Ed, you say that as if I've been sitting around with my fucking thumb up my ass, gaily wallowing away the days of my youth. I've seen this happening for awhile, and before making changes, I needed to make ABSOLUTELY sure that this was a trend, and not a blip. Decisions of this nature don't happen wily-nilly, and if they did... well, we'd be dead by now.
It doesn't take that long to read a map, man. But you did the right thing in the end.

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2008, 09:58:53 AM »

Just tell us -the regular FESSers- on what can we help, and we'll do, gladly mate 
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 10:08:33 AM »

You may or may not remember me, or even care, but I was an old member, back during where Jet and Zephyr will still admins. I loved this place. I even still lurk the boards occasionally every now and then.

But whenever I made a post, somebody else would a sarcastic comment pertaining nothing to the subject, and giving off this "lol you're not one of the cool people" vibe. Doesn't exactly make you feel welcome. =/

Just my two cents.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 10:12:45 AM »

You may or may not remember me, or even care, but I was an old member, back during where Jet and Zephyr will still admins. I loved this place. I even still lurk the boards occasionally every now and then.

But whenever I made a post, somebody else would a sarcastic comment pertaining nothing to the subject, and giving off this "lol you're not one of the cool people" vibe. Doesn't exactly make you feel welcome. =/

Just my two cents.
Noted, and that had a little to do with my choice of moderators going forward. I've talked about this with a few members, and they deny any intention of a clique mentality, but honestly, I think it's there without them knowing about it. FESS hasn't become downright hostile to newbies, but breaking that proverbial glass ceiling, in my opinion, is harder than it should be, and that's something I want to address and fix, even if I have to step on some toes.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 10:25:56 AM »

Oh, and BTW--I plan to do the SRPG project. Unfortunately, school's gotten in the way and I haven't even heard from one of my programmers. I'm going to put what we have in storage, and will be pushing it at the start of next summer.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 10:27:29 AM »

I don't have much to say on activity or whatnot.

However, from my experience (and hopefully this doesn't offend anyone), if you want to get anything done on a site, you usually have to do it yourself. If not by yourself, then by a trusted staff member (eg. Eltoshen on FEPlanet). You'll probably still get the odd submission (eg. MageInTraining's FE5 walkthough), but that's going to be about it.

I can't think of anyone on the FESS staff being content writer material so... However, it's not so bad, here, since you've got all of Eaichu's stuff.

Anyway, that's what I've been thinking for a while. I tried to encourage some members to volunteer a while back, but probably due to bad timing (and bad advertisment... and laziness), I only got one albeit awesome person (who isn't on this forum) to submit.



Actually, while I'm here, I'm still thinking FE is in a minor slump. I seem to remember you saying once that FE10 didn't exactly wow anyone, and now we've only got a remake of a 20 year old game to attract newbies/old-time fans. Before, we started with a great GBA title, followed by a decent one and, around the same time, the FE6 translation patch.



...Eh, might as well. Although not as much as in the past, I think FESS still carries an "elitist" vibe. Of course, I'm sure many people still respect it for its contributions towards info, hacking, translation and etc. I can't really put my finger on what's causing the vibe, and whether people still think that way or not. However I thought I might as well mention it.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 10:28:56 AM »

Well, I'm not too sure what to say to this. Just that it's duely noted. If there's anything I can do to help, I'll be glad to lend a hand. I used to just watch from the sidelines and let other people fix things, but the fact is that this site's my favourite by far. It might not have been the first forum I joined, but it's definitely the best.

It'd be great if we could all keep this forum the best together.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2008, 10:31:32 AM »

I also think that FESS has an elitist vibe to it... >_> It's kind of why I'm never around any more... That, and now I recognize only a few people... And most of them aren't even active any more.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2008, 10:56:07 AM »

You may or may not remember me, or even care, but I was an old member, back during where Jet and Zephyr will still admins. I loved this place. I even still lurk the boards occasionally every now and then.

But whenever I made a post, somebody else would a sarcastic comment pertaining nothing to the subject, and giving off this "lol you're not one of the cool people" vibe. Doesn't exactly make you feel welcome. =/

Just my two cents.
Right on the money. I posted here a bit on some of the older forums, but received the same kind of attitude. I even complained about it once and was basically told by a staff member (whose name alludes me) that the FESS staff isn't elitist. End of story. I haven't had the desire to post here at all (until now) ever since. I was pretty bummed out too because Liz had told me this was a great FE community and it never really lived up to that praise as far as I'm concerned.

I only visit the boards to check info tables anymore.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2008, 10:57:41 AM »

I KNOW I'VE BEEN DEAD...but that's because when people ask for help in the FE game, I think someone else was able to drop a tip for them.  But now that I see the FE: DS board is out, I guess I can drop by a few since I've actually played it.  What Vincent said was true, though.  For the hardcore fans of FE like myself, I'm not so hyped about a Marth remake.  And FE10 didn't really nudge at new people since it probably obliterated them into thinking that the game series is insanely hard.

That, and it kind of sucks to post up your works...and get only one to none comment.  That's partially why I kind of dropped off the face of FESS.  The other reason was because I'm a fan of Yaoi, and even if I don't really talk about it (I mean, why would I?  That's just kind of dumb,) when the subject matter is brought up, we get ridiculed.  The best part about this is that no one stops it.  It's like it's alright to ridicule people because they like something other people think is weird?  Ah, well, it seriously felt very...unwelcoming.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2008, 11:32:34 AM »

Hopefully with streamlining the staff and the forums the place can start to become a more welcoming forum to visit. Again, I'm here if you need me, and I'll do what I can.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2008, 11:34:35 AM »

A large part of the problem is that many of us who stick around aren't sticking around for Fire Emblem. I'd also second that Radiant Dawn wasn't so great for activity as it could have been; the game is Wii only and the difficulty is rather blistering. The whole first part of it is harder than most of FE 7-9 by a long shot, which is not conducive to newbies.

Also, I could be wrong, but activity in Serious Discussion seems to be at roughly the same level its always been (low), but it's also posted in by a very small more long-term subset of the memberbase. I'd like to help raise activity in that forum, but the only thing I can think of that I would do (and have sort of wanted to do for a while) isn't really going to help the issue at hand.
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2008, 11:35:51 AM »

I'm also considering a change of aesthetics. Right now, we have three forum skins, but all anyone uses is the classic one, to my knowledge. I'm considering - if I can get the expertise to do it - changing our layout to be at least a bit more pleasing to the eye, or at the very least, less of a mess, as we've essentially had the same look for the past six years.
I use the green skin.  I like it very much, probably a side effect of liking Lyn. And the color.

I can't really speak to a lot of the rest of the things, as I'm only occasionally and sporadically active, generally when I'm in the midst of a current FE kick.  At other times, I have different priorities, different boards and communities to spend the bulk of my free time on.

I've never really had much trouble with getting condescension thrust my way, or being treated too rudely, but I have a bit of a thick skin as far as that goes.  I've definitely seen things happen that aren't particularly friendly, though, especially in the Serious Discussion, and I know they'd certainly rile me up, and it would take a while to step back and cool down.  There also definitely seems to be a bit of a bandwagon effect where once someone starts, everyone else jumps in with little new contribution, save additional ridicule.  This is not a unique problem to FESS or its membership though, I'm sure it's just something that happens on the internet.

Yes, a new FE game is out - in Japanese.  Only the hardest core of the fanbase are going to import it and play it without understanding it.  I love the games, but I love them for the stories as well as the challenges, and I'm not about to shoot myself in the foot with trying out advanced Moonspeak.  I'll definitely buy it when it's released in English, but not until then and I'm betting your average USian fan would feel similarly.  I personally wouldn't be too worried about the lack of activity in that board... yet.  Granted, I wasn't around or active when other releases happened to see the trends, so my opinion could be unfounded.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2008, 11:36:55 AM »

Right on the money. I posted here a bit on some of the older forums, but received the same kind of attitude. I even complained about it once and was basically told by a staff member (whose name alludes me) that the FESS staff isn't elitist. End of story. I haven't had the desire to post here at all (until now) ever since. I was pretty bummed out too because Liz had told me this was a great FE community and it never really lived up to that praise as far as I'm concerned.

I only visit the boards to check info tables anymore.
I wish you remembered what that name was... I'll be willing to bet that person is gone, and not willingly so. We had a bit of an... um, "upheaval" since. Stuff like that is what made Liz drop off in the first place.

See, I don't view us as elitist as much as just that we set aside certain rules, and expect them to be adhered to. But this many people saying this, especially at this point, is causing me alarm. This is going to be something I look into.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2008, 11:45:35 AM »

Like many older members I originally joined for Fire Emblem but sticked around for the community. That doesn't mean that I'm not a fan of Fire Emblem anymore, though. I'd still like to talk about it, it's just that there aren't many others to talk with.

About the elitist thing... I think we can be elitist at times. I try not to be myself, but I can't help but feel that FESS members are for some strange reason automatically better forum-goers than newer members from other forums. Obviously, that's not true, but I guess it's part of the problem.
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2008, 11:48:16 AM »

The memberbase here is getting too old for its own good. Usually the release of a new, English, FE game would bring in new blood, but FE10 kind of flopped so we've been out a cycle. You really need to put FESS in an authoritative position by the time FEDS hits European and American shores.
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2008, 11:53:42 AM »

The memberbase here is getting too old for its own good. Usually the release of a new, English, FE game would bring in new blood, but FE10 kind of flopped so we've been out a cycle. You really need to put FESS in an authoritative position by the time FEDS hits European and American shores.
I need the members for that. Crystal and I can't do it alone.

I need stats, IMAGES (which Vince's site is light on; naturally, I'd be willing to share anything I get with Vince), and anything else anyone would be willing to have on the site. It's not just about stats; it's about copying down support conversations, average stats, visual walkthroughs, story analysis, etc.; the rote, base statistics are the foundation of what we need (and really, that stuff, Vince's site already has), but it's that more left brain stuff that is going to set us apart.

I'm not interested in "beating" Serena's Forest. I'm interested in our sites settling into their own niches.
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