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« on: November 08, 2008, 08:06:55 AM »

Ok i was playing fe5 through when I found something really messed up
#1. lack of money outside arena battles
#2. insane weapon prices Ex: iron sword 2200g iron bow 2200g iron lance 2000g ( might be wrong on that one) and iron axe 1100g
this wouldnt be a problem if the desginers actaully let you get some form of money but nooooooo you have to arena abuse to get it which I think is  . unless I missed someone that gives you gold I  think the money system sucks.
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2008, 08:36:38 AM »

It's in more of a realistic sense, actually. You aren't just handed money on a silver platter, and the only way to effectively earn weapons and items is by capturing. In turn, you can capture to get more stuff that you don't need and sell it off.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 08:39:02 AM »

I tired caputirng b4 but no1 had the build to take any1 but mages early game
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 09:22:29 AM »

Use mounted units. They can capture anything with 19 Build or less, except for other mounted units, but that's what Sleep staves are for should you want to use them for such.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 09:53:37 AM »

k that works out better but then whats the point of armorys if you can take all equip from emenies?
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 10:07:10 AM »

What if you're lacking a certain weapon you'd like to use and no enemy has it? Also, you'll need the money to buy Stamina Drinks and Knight Proofs later on.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 10:59:54 AM »

Iron weapons on enemies are kind of rare, they usually carry less efficient items like Short Lances, Great Lances, Short Bows, etc.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 11:39:41 AM »

Finn is pretty good at capturing enemies, particularly early on, thanks to his hero lance. You'll acquire other weapons with a built in double attack that will also assist in capturing.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2008, 03:18:35 PM »

It's in more of a realistic sense, actually. You aren't just handed money on a silver platter, and the only way to effectively earn weapons and items is by capturing. In turn, you can capture to get more stuff that you don't need and sell it off.
By the same token, it's less realistic because nobody is contributing war funds to the cause and Lord Leaf is forced to beat people up, take their crap, and leave 'em for dead.
In real life, we call that "mugging".
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2008, 03:31:07 PM »

By the same token, it's less realistic because nobody is contributing war funds to the cause and Lord Leaf is forced to beat people up, take their crap, and leave 'em for dead.
In real life, we call that "mugging".

In a modern day context thats correct but if you apply these actions to say the medieval period  it doesnt seem so foreign or nearly as horrible.

I actually would love to see this mechanic return and the ever so plentiful weapons also... it's such a shame so many good ideas from this game weren't used ever again afterwards.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2008, 08:40:40 PM »

Characters that are captured and released aren't exactly being left for dead. Many of the non-generic enemies that are released express their gratitude for being allowed to live. That isn't exactly sort of response you'd get from someone who was roughed up and left to die.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2008, 11:37:42 PM »

By the same token, it's less realistic because nobody is contributing war funds to the cause and Lord Leaf is forced to beat people up, take their crap, and leave 'em for dead.
In real life, we call that "mugging".

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2008, 01:42:35 AM »

Let's also remember that unlike most FE games, the army Leaf is commanding is about all that he has, rather than it being a few that represents a larger number. After all, August constantly has to remind everyone that they are not an army throughout the story. As such, guerilla tactics like capturing individual enemies that stray from the main force work well with such a small group.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2008, 11:12:43 AM »

Characters that are captured and released aren't exactly being left for dead. Many of the non-generic enemies that are released express their gratitude for being allowed to live. That isn't exactly sort of response you'd get from someone who was roughed up and left to die.

And you can capture enemies without weapons or with siege tomes without attacking them. More of just grabbing them.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2008, 03:36:57 PM »

Even in medieval context, mugging is mugging. Stab a guy in the gut, take his purse, and leave him bleeding in the alley.
In a real medieval war context, Leaf would seize whatever he could from the leaders post-victory, while his troops would indulge in the spoils of war where possible (refraining from certain acts at Leaf's command, since he would enforce his good morals on his soldiers).

You'd still expect Linoan to contribute some of Tahra's treasury to the cause, or have Leaf utilize Lenster's wealth after retaking it.
But at least the old "Lord Leaf, please accept our small village's 10,000 gold" is out the door. There's a war going on and they're selflessly giving it to an army. Not very realistic... unless Lord Whomever is intimidating them.

And leaving people with 1 HP is pretty close to leaving them for dead. The non-generics express gratitude because it's better than being killed.

But who am I to complain? I liked FE5's system too. Getting a single Longsword and 2 (3?) Armorslayers in FE7 really makes me feel short changed now.
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