Remakes of old games

[Areth]

So we all know that Fire Emblem 1 is being remade for the DS. There was a thread about it in the FE1 board, but don't post on it now...

Anyway, there was some discussion in that thread about possible remakes of other old Fire Emblem games, like Gaiden and Thracia 776. (Since Mystery and Genealogy are on the Japanese VC, those are less likely to be remade...) Since this topic pertains to more than one Fire Emblem game, I figured it didn't belong in any of the other boards.

I've heard that FE8 had quite a few of the same departures from the series that FE2 had, and what with FE8's less than stellar reputation, I kind of doubt that IS will go back and remake FE2.

[Celice]

Seima (FE8) suffered from being a placeholder while the "real" team worked on Souen (FE9).  It just didn't have enough effort put into it as the others did.  But that shouldn't be a reason for Gaiden to be boshed off.  Especially when Gaiden really is a good game.  It suffers from the same issues older games did (enjoy those "issues" though ), such as, depending on the age and opinion, crappy graphics, level grinding, ect..  But when compared to Ankoku (Fe1), I find Gaiden to just plain be better.

I'm hoping IS jumps on Enix's and Square's bandwagon and remakes the games, first to last.  And soon too:  Enix will have DQV and VI out most likely before late summer of '08, Square's most likely V by the end of the year, and Is their first sometime later in the year too most likely.  I'm running out of new old games before they even come out

[aznswordmaster1]

I've heard a few of my friends saying that it would be really cool if a FFVII remake was made, just cause so many people loved it.

My opinion of remakes is, it really depends, when I played Tales of Phantasia in SNES first, its a little weird at first, then I tried a few of the remakes and I was able to play those like I would with the modern Tales of games. But 75% of the time I do like remake versions.

[Superbus]

Who gives a shit about Final Fantasy? This is about Fire Emblem remakes. Or are you just azndongman being "lazy" again?

Personally, I think they should combine FE1's and FE3's (second book) stories into the DS remake, but really, FE4 and FE5 need attention. They're the only ones, as a remake of FE6 isn't really necessary thanks to Twilkitri and Eaichu/Leaf. But when we talk about FE remakes... really, is there anything else that requires one? FE7-10 are in America, 1 (and maybe 3?) is getting remade, Gaiden is so completely different that it would be hard to know where to start, and 6 essentially has been remade. And FE8 is new enough to not have to worry about; it's not worth a remake just because it sucked.

[Furry Curry is Furry]

Who gives a shit about Final Fantasy? This is about Fire Emblem remakes. Or are you just azndongman being "lazy" again?

Personally, I think they should combine FE1's and FE3's (second book) stories into the DS remake, but really, FE4 and FE5 need attention. They're the only ones, as a remake of FE6 isn't really necessary thanks to Twilkitri and Eaichu/Leaf. But when we talk about FE remakes... really, is there anything else that requires one? FE7-10 are in America, 1 (and maybe 3?) is getting remade, Gaiden is so completely different that it would be hard to know where to start, and 6 essentially has been remade. And FE8 is new enough to not have to worry about; it's not worth a remake just because it sucked.

Let's not forget, Superbus, that companies will do anything for a quick buck. Remake FE2 based off the FE1R engine? Sure, why not. Let's go a head and do the same for FE4-6, because they never got released in America (Though, truthfully, I'd buy a remake of FE6- A Fan translation is always good, but sometimes (I STRESS sometimes) an official one beats it)!

Honestly, if they do anything with FE8, I'll be amazed: I wouldn't be surprised if it gets ignored when the remakes end up on the GBA level (And we can say they won't, but...).

[Celice]

Who gives a shit about Final Fantasy? This is about Fire Emblem remakes. Or are you just azndongman being "lazy" again?

The title can be misleading.  And he could've thought he first post was just a post about one of the many games getting a remake.

Remakes of old games

They're the only ones, as a remake of FE6 isn't really necessary thanks to Twilkitri and Eaichu/Leaf. But when we talk about FE remakes

necessary to us, but to the market it's all fair game, especially if they could advertise zomgROYROYROY with it.  But really, when compared with the NES or SNES, the GBA is still new.  No one wanted GameCube remakes of N64 games.  Phoenix Write can kiss my ass for its wondrous "remaking" on the DS.

Remake FE2 based off the FE1R engine?

That's basically what it was if you looked at the internals.  Modified, of course, but still extremely similar in some aspects.  At least the text wasn't directly withheld by assorted pointers tied directly to new lines

[Ferry Fer the Dancing Queen of West New Orleens]

Remakes are essentially made to cash in on nostalgia. Was FE2 really popular enough to justify pouring resources into a remake of it?

There's also usually a two-generation gap (or ten-year gap, if you prefer) before remakes get put on the table, so anything after Genealogy with perhaps the exception of Thracia won't get an updated port anytime soon.

[Wander]

If FE4 is ported I probably won't buy it, my PSP can emulate it anyway, but if it's remade (preferably into 3D) then I would definitely buy it. I still haven't gotten round to playing Thracia yet, though I have played up to Ch. 5. FE2 deserves some attention, it's cool despite horrid visuals :<

[Areth]

I apologize for the confusion that I caused by not specifying FE games. I thought that since it was in the "FE General Discussion" forum as opposed to the "Other Games" forum, people would know that I didn't mean other games.

That said, if enough people want to discuss remakes of old non-FE games...

Anyway, I do have more to add to the discussion:

Remakes are essentially made to cash in on nostalgia. Was FE2 really popular enough to justify pouring resources into a remake of it?

I could ask the same about FE1, which needs to be pretty popular, in my opinion, to justify TWO remakes...

Which leads me to another question: Has any old game ever been remade twice, or is IS breaking a precedent with FE DS?

[Neofox]

I could ask the same about FE1, which needs to be pretty popular, in my opinion, to justify TWO remakes...

It's the game that started it all and eventually led to us all being here. That enough of a reason to remake it again?

Besides, a ton of stuff has changed since the original as well as the remake was made. From the weapon triangle, to splitting the magic types, to adding dialogue for characters outside their recruitment convos. Even with the remake in FE3, it could really use another with all the changes that have been made to the series that have since become staples.

[Charliecane]

It's probably worth mentioning that the first remake was released well over a year ago and hasn't aged particularly well. Moreover, it was never released outside of Japan.

Has any old game ever been remade twice, or is IS breaking a precedent with FE DS?

Remaking an old game more than once is hardly unprecedented. Just look Final Fantasy.

 

[Celice]

It's the game that started it all and eventually led to us all being here. That enough of a reason to remake it again?

With such bad level design, and no level compression to use as an excuse for it?  Hell yeah >

The problem in remaking an old game and adding to it is losing the feel of the original, especially if more than a few years have gone by.  For example, the Ankoku remake may have supports in it.  To those of us who've played the game without supports and know the characters already, the sudden personality "change" may upset how we perceived the characters ourselves, and then to some, the remake ruins the game, while to others, makes it better.  However, if all the characters revamped and there's no old base left, then the entire thing should feel and read new.  Or something.  Yeah.

[WyvernSageLord]

Hey, I remember starting a similar discussion in the last FESS.

Anyways, FE4 truly does need attention with a remake, but if it is remade AND localized, I'm kinda worried about how they'll put in the censorship. I mean something tells me that they'd try to get rid of the incest. ._.;

[Wander]

Fire Emblem is about incest, if they did that, the game wouldn't make sense anymore and neither would the Loputous one-child-policy. And besides, it's not like they didn't take the incest out of FE8; Eirika still wanted Ephraim to stroke her hair again, and in FE7 Priscilla still had her proposal from Raven.

also raven wants lucius

[WyvernSageLord]

Yes, but compared to FE7 and FE8, FE4 takes the incest to a more higher level; The main characters actually having children who are the PRODUCT of incest - and the kids become the next main characters no less. If it were localized freely, (with no censorship) then I can imagine a fair amount of people who have too high morals complaining. Such as parents, if they even have the time to delve deep into FE's stories.

Raven and Lucius isn't incest, it's just homo.

[Neofox]

Raven and Lucius isn't incest, it's just homo.

So is IkexSoren, but that pairing wasn't censored, either.

Regardless, FE4 has a mountain of problems regarding balance and gameplay (especially the weapon repair system). Then theres also the fact that the story, while seemingly good, is woefully presented in-game and therefore most of what we know about it comes from other games, art books, and etc. (many of which contradict each other, too...). If FE4 were to be remade, it would probably have to be from the ground-up.

[Celice]

So is IkexSoren, but that pairing wasn't censored, either.

Was never explicitly stating gay either

[Areth]

If it were localized freely, (with no censorship) then I can imagine a fair amount of people who have too high morals complaining. Such as parents, if they even have the time to delve deep into FE's stories.

The solution to that is simple: Keep the game insanely difficult, so that even the kids can't delve too deeply into FE's stories...

Besides, (I know, I know, Anecdotal evidence FTL...) I never paid much attention to dialogue while playing RPGs when I was a kid.

And if Shrek can earn a PG rating, I'm sure that NOA can still hint at the incestuous relationships in FE4 without seriously offending a kid's or a parent's senses. Granted, that wouldn't really be "localized freely", but there's some space between complete freedom and complete censorship.

[gemini-saga]

I don't Think FE 4 and 5 should be remade, FE4 because is a complete diferente style, it's realy a War mapa then Missions Maps, If they remade they Would Need to make a new game...
FE5 is because it will lose it Godly dificult, and fans would be mad...

Speaking of FE1 Remake, I hope Marth promotes, and they unite with book 2  to have a 40 chapter game. Balance some characters would be good too.

[Neo Juste Belmont]

FE4 I think can use a very good remake, with revamped battle systems. Maybe we can add up more depths to the already-few characters, by adding additional missions...

Speaking of missions, we'll just separate the missions from the original game into huge chapters. So if we take it to the Prologue... we can have several battles at once, even though in the original game, it only deals with one chapter. Some stories may be tweaked a bit...

Prologue Chapter breakdown:
Stage 1: Sigurd heard about Verdane bandits ravaging havoc in nearby villages in Jungby. He heads there with Noish, Alec and Adan.
Stage 2: Another village rescue, this time meeting Azel and Lex. It's from here Sigurd learnt that Edain has been kidnapped.
Stage 3: Attack on the first castle. You meet up with Cuan, Ethlin and Finn here. Also, in the end of the stage, Midayle will join you.
Stage 4: Assault on the last castle. Meet up with Alvis.

Of course, some filler stages can be used too. But I surmise that it would be how FE4 would work if they ditch the huge map system. It also gives more time to do supports based on the newer systems...